Would be nice to have an idea of the specifics so we know whats coming our way cause the fuckers are after us next imoa

From Dave Coles on Aug 27th.

We have mutually agreed on bargaining dates. Bargaining will commence on October 26th in Montreal. I also to reiterate that there will be NO local bargaining in advance of our Caucus.

Lucy got some splainin to do.

Any & all who make it to convention?... For god sakes send Coles to a new job! & his supporters as well.... time to clean house Brothers & sisters... it seems we have rodents that are of no use & just won't go away!!

Careful now reduced, your gonna scare roger.

Here ya go reduced if it will put your mind at ease.

Senority there is none.
Call Ins, 24 seven and on holidays as well.
Days off, same. Providing you dont get called in and that will happen often with the smaller crews.
Floaters, four 12 hour and no more 6 eights if one so chooses.
Vactions, same.
Stat's never did have these ever cept xmas and newyears. Are you sure you work in a mill? Thought we all had the same agreement.
Sick days, never had them. Just Man. life standard s.t.d. and l.t.d.
Most of this agreement is on a tenative plan to possibly start #5 P.M. IN THE FUTURE BUT THATS NOT WRITTEN IN STONE.
Yeah it's boreing other then the fact we lost another hundred or so jobs,
Real boring for me. I'm one of those hundred. So I'm goona have lotsa time on my hands.

I Do have the document in front of me. Soon is just boneing you. And seems like he's haveing fun at it as well. Little twisted on his part.

Blowharder!... thank you!... thats what i wanted to hear!... & No it didn't bore me... actually made me think of prob 20 more questons , but bore me?... nope!... scare me?... nope surprise me?... nope... Piss me off!.. Oh hell yeah!!
& FYI... we do get stats here , so many hours per year & these are based on if you are scheduled to work.. then t & 1/2 kicks in in some cases & extra floaters for working...but the stats themselves are mandatory for everyne.. its just a matter of if you get them in th form of a floater or if you get paid for them,, so No.. not all our agreements are the same.. although i is looking very likely that they will be very very soon!!
& Thnx Brother!... u answered a lot for me!!...

& tell me brother... what jobs did they come after?... I just can't imagine them taking anymor jobs from us.... (papermaker here)... & well we are now run ragged & getting older... folks are starting to fall apart because we are just too old to be doing this sort of stuff.... & i have been there for a long time now!.. the last rootch we got hit with we have not been able to deal with... its a real cluster f*&k.... but the men?... well i am guessing that 1/2 will not make it to retirement now... take more jobs away?... & well... it will never work, cause it does not work now!!...
But really i want to know what positions they hauled from u folks in this rock / hard place agreement!!...

257 never could bump into 39
But now senior guys in 39 in the rest of the plant can't bump into the Kraft.

There is NO MORE SENORITY at the Thunder Bay Division.

If your trained and you area is still up and online your safe.
But thats it.

thanks blowharder....not boning anyone....you will know when I am...lol....just didn't have the document with me and didn't want to be burned at the stake for misquoting....I think you pretty much covered what was in it....re: seniority....if one or the other mill goes down then there is no bumping between mills....257 currently covers news with some 39 support services.....kraft is mostly 39 with recovery support (yet another union local).....there is no and never was bumping between 39 & 257....kind of a screwy system because there are I think (don't burn me if incorrect) 5 different union locals within the complex.....

Understood, thought you were a disgruntled mill worker like so many of us are these days.
Yes we have 5 locals in the Bay
cep x2
IBEW x1
OPSIU x1
and office staff union unsure who represents them. I believe it may be cep as well.

I cannot bump any one in the kraft from my department, the recylcle is in the same bargening unit as the kraft. But we just gave that bumping right away today.

my mistake
not opsiu

I meant boilermakers. Sorry bout that, it's late and I'm tired from all this bullshit today.

lol....I hear ya man....

For those of you who are affected by the recent AbiBow TBAY debacle, here is a copy of an email I sent to our local MPP's. If you would like to copy and paste it yourself and send it to Gravelle and Mauro, please do so. It can't hurt. Their email addresses are:
mgravelle.mpp.co@liberal.ola.org
bmauro.mpp.co@liberal.ola.org

For others affected in their own area it wouldn't hurt if you did the same to your local MPP's. Here it is:

Mssrs. Gravelle & Mauro:

As a soon to be ex employee of AbiBow TBAY, I would like someone to explain to me how, given the Ontario law regarding severance pay, that AbiBow can arbitrarily refuse to pay severance to myself and others who are, or will soon be on the unemployment line. You must realize that, without this money, we will firstly swell the unemployment numbers at the federal level, then potentially swell the numbers at the provincial and municipal levels once unemployment benefits run out (ie: welfare, food banks). Given that the news division of AbiBow TBAY has been up and down over the course of a year, many of us will soon no longer qualify for future benefits.

Does it really make sense that taxpayers should be on the hook for displaced workers? One would think that as employers shed their employees, they should be obligated to ensuring some sort of compensation (ie: severance) to prevent burdening of already highly taxed Canadians. Given the scarce job prospects here in TBAY and elsewhere, especially when it comes to wages and benefits remotely similar to those of the mills, this scenario is higly likely. I understand there is a fine line between helping a corporation continue its operation vs. complete failure and closure, but I really believe that the Ontario Government should be doing more to protect what is rightfully owed to the employees.

Newfoundland/Labrador's Danny Williams had the right idea in dealing with AbiBow, although the circumstances there were somewhat different (ie: closure vs downsizing). The Ontario government should take a page from Mr. William's actions and show some leadership by making employers understand that they simply cannot walk away from their obligatons to the employees, especially those who have given most of their adult life to them.

I eagerly anticipate your response, and what you and your party are going to do to correct this disgraceful issue.

soontobegone, what political party do these two gentlemen belong to?

roger.....these guys are liberal MPPs.

Nice letter

Hey blowharder sucks, it's IUOE...Operating Engineers not boilermakers. Sheesh.

haha...must be approaching the 15 day? bumping clause with the kraft mill running, with junior guys working and senior men at home....way to go unions!! Thought the deadline for all the company agreements have come and gone - 1. decimate the workforce and toss seniority(done) 2.hydro costs ? 3. fiber ? -- can you say being "played"! Why would you have agreed to the crap this company is doing??

Hey crapjack, don't tell soontobegone. He's still telling people that seniority was not being negotiated at the last bend-over session. Done Done Done...lmfao

don't laugh too hard fellas....there coming for you.....let's see where the bear shits in the buckwheat....I hope you put your money where your mouth is....but I doubt it

sorry...."they're coming for you"....nothing like spelling mistakes....

better yet....give me your addresses and I'll mail you some rope....might as well end it now seeing as how the sky is falling and the world is ending.....

hey guy...news flash...the deal is done, done, done...lol

oh yeah....you REALLY need some beers....

soontobe...what deal,the only part of the deal that has happened is the union sellout?(yes)- hydro nope, fiber nope ,corporate approval nope

And the unions did give up seniority- bumping and bidding rights are suspended for 18 months with 2 separate lines of progression.

Just wait till negotiations this fall and the rest will be taken away...

I'm gonna have a beer and call StarTek for a job. lol

well...if they do hire you, can you put in a good word for me....lol.....

Why do you keep posting? Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough? I don't need a news flash - in contrast to you, I already knew what was going to happen. Here's an idea for you though - learn what the word seniority means. Your ramblings make no sense anymore. We know the deal is done done done, or whatever you're saying now.

words of wisdom....from the guy who knows....lol....

They are words of wisdom. Your words sure aren't. Or do you still think the local didn't bargain away seniority? lmfao

seniority is gone most of the junor men are in the kraft.it was stated that seniority was was suspended for 18 months.to become an asistant then operator in the digester or bleach it takes years its not like driveing a car you have to know what your doing.most of these men are on the pod and will be there longer than 18 months hell they will probabley retire from there.while the senor men and the rest of the pod sit at home .and as for 24 months recall. when it takes years to train men in these departments that will be gone as well

you guys kill me....that's why I can't stop posting....I'm having WAY too much fun...lol....

You are confusing stupidy with comedy. Back to school again for you boy.